SEC and committee......doesnt make any sense to me

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  1. RSN32

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    Normally i like to give the SEC guys crap when i get the chance, but the committee sure did not do them any favors this year.

    1-South Carolina is #4 national seed-OK so if South Carolina is the #4 national seed and is playing Georgia Southern in round 1 that means that according to the committee Georgia Southern is the 4th worst team in the field?? REALLY

    So basically what they are saying is that all the #4 seeds below are better than GSU?

    #5-Florida St vs Bethune Cookman
    #6-Vandy vs Belmont
    #7-Texas vs Princeton
    #8-Rice vs Alcorn St
    UCLA vs San Fransico
    Georgia Tech vs Austin Peay
    Cal St Fulerton vs Illinios
    Clemson vs Sacred Heart
    Oregon St vs Arkansas Little Rock
    Arizona St vs New Mexico
    TCU vs Oral Roberts

    Is there something that i am missing?????

    2-St Johns in over LSU-The reason was because St Johns finished 2nd in the 13th rated conference vs LSU finished 9th in the top rated conference? Just say they did not make their conference tourney or something else but their reason is very odd. Especially when just 2 years ago they did just the opposite.
     
  2. MSU DAWG

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    I like what the committee did in regards to rewarding the "inferior" conferences. I think it is about time they did this and stop with the 9/10 teams getting in from the "power" conferences.

    This is what they need to do in football...give the "little guy" a chance. If it is D1 Baseball then it is D1 baseball...same as FBS football is FBS football.

    If you are under the umbrella then everyone has a shot otherwise there needs to be another umbrella!!!
     
  3. Mike Rapp

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    Proximity matters in the baseball bracket

    Vanderbilt, for example, was virtually guaranteed to get Belmont in the Nashville regional, as Belmont is a mile down the road from Hawkins Field. Likewise, Troy is a weak 3 seed in Nashville (probably could have been a 4 seed), but they are a relatively short drive up 65 to Nashville.

    Austin Peay was in the 2007 Nashville regional as a 4 seed, despite the rather obvious fact that they were easily the third best team in the regional (had ace Austin Kelly, who took David Price to extra innings). But the committee wanted Memphis and APSU in Nashville due to proximity.

    St. Johns should not have been invited; Another example of the fact that the NCAA will do virtually everything they can to push baseball in regions where no one gives a d*mn.

    But LSU was swept by all three of the best teams in the SEC, and got 7 of their wins over teams that didn't even make Hoover, let alone the NCAA Tournament. LSU played a weak OOC and the fact that they had the best position player in the SEC (Mahtook) and still couldn't make Hoover tells you they simply did not deserve to make it.
     
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    Re: Proximity matters in the baseball bracket

    South Carolina didn't play LSU, unless you're saying that South Carolina wasn't one of the 3 best in the SEC.
    LSU could have handled their business better and not given the committee a chance to leave them out but I don't think St. John's has a better case than LSU.
    I think the bigger mistakes made were not giving Arkansas a regional AND shipping them out west and putting N. Carolina over S. Carolina and Vandy. That's a joke and a bad one.
     
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    Re: Proximity matters in the baseball bracket

    Does anyone have a list of the committee members? Always seems like a good thing to check out when such things are debated.

    Proximity by default will make it more difficult for Southeastern teams in their own regional - there is a lot more parity and depth of teams here than elsewhere. USC and others have very difficult regionals.
     
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    Re: Proximity matters in the baseball bracket

    St. John's AD Chris Monasch is on the NCAA Baseball Tournament Selection committee.
     
  7. GwinnettGamecock

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    You can't write this off to geography. South Carolina and Clemson are practically side-by-side, and the Tigers were treated much better on every seed line than Carolina. South Carolina essentially was assigned two #2's, and Clemson was given two #3's - one of those a very soft 3 (UConn).

    Clemson was also given a much easier #4 than South Carolina. I actually think Georgia Southern would have been a solid bet to make the regional championship if you had swapped them with Sacred Heart. There's no reason for the committee to treat a national seed so poorly.

    LSU's omission is a flat-out joke. They had one of the top five OOC RPI's in the nation. There are a handful of at large teams that would have struggled to get to a winning record on the season with their schedule.
     
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    I hate the HTML editing, so just decided to add a follow-up:

    Georgia Southern is probably the second best #4 in the field. The best is Belmont, a program that also ended up assigned to an SEC national seed's region.

    "Location" is not a sufficient explanation for the Vandy-Belmont matchup. Austin Peay is another #4 from Tennessee. They could have easily been sent to Vandy, and Belmont to their region. Instead, the non-national ACC team received the team ranked around 50 spots lower in the last pre-tournament RPI. Makes it even more enjoyable that the Governors won the game.

    More in-depth comparison of Carolina-Clemson teams
     
  9. ee3

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    if lsu can't make the conference tournament i don't think they deserve to be in the ncaa tournament - one should be a prerequisite for the other. maybe not entirely fair to the big conference teams, but it's the right way to do it.
     
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    It seems to me that the ACC generally gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to match-ups, at least compared to the SEC
     

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